Difference Between Slots And Vlts

For VLTs, wins and losses typically appear as credits or dollars on the video terminal screen. As play progresses, credits/dollars fluctuate up or down until reduced to zero or the player redeems the credits. slot machines are 'coin-in, coin-out'; the winnings are paid in coins immediately and directly to the player.' Slot machines seem simple enough. Pull a handle, the reels spin and either you win or lose. That’s the basic experience for the player but ‘under the hood‘ there are important differences between several types of devices that are often identified as ‘slot machines‘.THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN SLOT MACHINES, ‘BINGO’ MACHINES AND VLTs. Slot machines seem simple enough. Pull a handle, the reels spin and either you win or lose. By law, only class iii slot machines can actually be called “slot machines”. All class ii games will be referred to by another name. Common names for class ii slot machines include Video Lottery Terminals (VLTs) and Bingo Liners (machines programmed to pay out like a bingo card game).

What’s the difference between VLTs and slot machines?

VLTs and slot machines are both considered electronic gaming devices. In Saskatchewan, VLTs are located in licensed bars and restaurants with a lounge endorsement and are ‘coin in, ticket out’ devices. Revenues from VLTs are split between government (85 per cent) and the site contractors (15 per cent). Slot machines are located at the provinces six SIGA casinos as well as Casinos Moose Jaw and Regina. Revenues from slot machines go to Saskatchewan First Nations, the government’s General Revenue Fund and to help support charitable causes.

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BleedingChipsSlowly

I just read that article about the purported difference between slots and VLTs. It is very wrong.


The WoO site has about the same information posted as part of Ask the Wizard: Non-Casino Games - FAQ under the question beginning with In New York state they have Video Lottery Terminals (VLT’s) at off-track betting spots.: VLT’s are glorified pull-tab games. There is a predetermined pool of outcomes. Also wrong? if so, in what way?
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AxiomOfChoice
Well, slots have a pre-determined pool of outcomes, too (there are finitely many combinations of reel stops). The difference is that, with slots, the drawing is done with replacement, and with VLTs it is done without replacement and occasional refreshing of the pool.
I'm not sure how I feel about the VLT system. There is definitely something that I don't like about it, but I can't put my finger on it. It just doesn't work how I feel that it is 'supposed' to work.
BleedingChipsSlowly

It might... If VLT slots operate that way, it means there is just one jackpot, say, per period of time, ten second prizes, and so on. Whereas on a regular, random slot machine in Vegas, the odds of hitting a jackpot are the same for every pull.


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I'm not sure how I feel about the VLT system. There is definitely something that I don't like about it, but I can't put my finger on it. It just doesn't work how I feel that it is 'supposed' to work.


I think Nareed nailed it.
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MathExtremist

The WoO site has about the same information posted as part of Ask the Wizard: Non-Casino Games - FAQ under the question beginning with In New York state they have Video Lottery Terminals (VLT’s) at off-track betting spots.: VLT’s are glorified pull-tab games. There is a predetermined pool of outcomes. Also wrong? if so, in what way?


No, that part is correct -- about the NY state games. But pull-tab VLTs aren't Class II; they don't have anything to do with tribal gaming necessarily, as they're operated both by NY state and WA tribal, among others; they are not 'preprogramed (sic) to payout at specific times'; and they are not all linked together playing from the same pool of outcomes.
The following paragraph conflates the operation of actual Class II bingo-based games with the operation of pull-tab based Class III games:
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VLTs are usually equated more with games like bingo, pull-tabs, scratch-offs, or lotto than they are with slot machines. This is because there are a pre-determined number of winners, and players are competing with each other for a prize rather than against the house. There is also not necessarily a winner in each game.


That's just a mess. And it also doesn't distinguish between finite-pool pull-tab VLTs in NY with RNG-based VLTs in, say, Oregon, West Virginia, Rhode Island, or Delaware. In fact, the VLT games in a vast majority of jurisdictions that regulate them would be called 'slot machines' in Nevada or New Jersey. I can drive five minutes from my house and play real, RNG-driven video poker on an Oregon Lottery VLT.
'In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice.' -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
AxiomOfChoice
In case people aren't aware, the distinction between class II gaming and class III gaming is that in class II gaming the players play against each other, and the house takes a cut (like in poker or bingo) and in class III gaming the game is played against the house.
For pull-tab type games, though, I don't really see a distinction.
BleedingChipsSlowly

... For pull-tab type games, though, I don't really see a distinction.


Wouldn't the pull-tab type games be a special case where previous results influence future EV? If a particular machine has been played all day without a significant payout, would that mean it's 'more due,' something that doesn't apply to RNG machines?
Thanks for the answer, MathExtremist, and a tip of my hat to you for using 'conflate!'
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AxiomOfChoice

Wouldn't the pull-tab type games be a special case where previous results influence future EV? If a particular machine has been played all day without a significant payout, would that mean it's 'more due,' something that doesn't apply to RNG machines?


What I meant was, I don't see the difference between class II VLT and class III VLT (is there such a thing as class III VLT?)
BleedingChipsSlowly

What I meant was, I don't see the difference between class II VLT and class III VLT (is there such a thing as class III VLT?)


I get from what's been posted and referenced in this thread that Class II VLT's have a finite set of results. Each wager gets you one of those results, and the particular result is then no longer available from the pool. Periodically the pool is refreshed with an additional batch of possible results. The state/tribe knows that if the entire pool is sold they will have an exact, known profit since composition of the prize pool is known. Obviously, there is no incentive for the state/tribe to stop taking wagers even when the pool has little to no EV for the buyers. Class III VLT's employ an RNG selection from a pay/probability table, but prizes awarded do not change the EV for the next wager. It is possible that the state/tribe will take a loss on a particular machine, but like other games they rely on the long-term return to mean results and, of course, the 'house edge.' That's how I understand the difference. I could be wrong!
“You don’t bring a bone saw to a negotiation.” - Robert Jordan, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia
AxiomOfChoice

I get from what's been posted and referenced in this thread that Class II VLT's have a finite set of results. Each wager gets you one of those results, and the particular result is then no longer available from the pool. Periodically the pool is refreshed with an additional batch of possible results. The state/tribe knows that if the entire pool is sold they will have an exact, known profit since composition of the prize pool is known. Obviously, there is no incentive for the state/tribe to stop taking wagers even when the pool has little to no EV for the buyers. Class III VLT's employ an RNG selection from a pay/probability table, but prizes awarded do not change the EV for the next wager. It is possible that the state/tribe will take a loss on a particular machine, but like other games they rely on the long-term return to mean results and, of course, the 'house edge.' That's how I understand the difference. I could be wrong!


Sorry, what I meant was, I don't see the difference between class II pull-tabs and class III pull-tabs. Are class-III pull-tabs an oxymoron?
MathExtremist

What I meant was, I don't see the difference between class II VLT and class III VLT (is there such a thing as class III VLT?)


It's the opposite; there really isn't such a thing as a Class II VLT; those are usually called 'bingo machines' or. Class II games are those that are operated by tribes without needing a tribal-state compact. Pull-tab or finite-pool VLTs are Class III. That was the holding of several Fed. Circuit cases in the early 90s after tribes, who were naturally trying to get away with as much slot-like gameplay as they could after IGRA but without compacting, were experimenting with lots of different permutations of EGM gameplay. It's a fascinating history, one I recently had occasion to research in great detail. The bottom line is that EGMs using central determination and finite pools (video pull-tabs) are all Class III under IGRA:
http://openjurist.org/14/f3d/633/cabazon-band-of-mission-indians-v-national-indian-gaming-commission-j

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Also, while there's a pretty narrow and well-defined category of games that fall under the 'Class II' moniker, based as it is on federal statute, the 'VLT' label applies to many different types of games. One common thread is that a state or provincial lottery, as opposed to a private gaming enterprise, is typically responsible for authorizing and monitoring VLTs. RNG-driven games in Oregon or Delaware are 'video lottery terminals' while the same games in Nevada would be 'slot machines.' The RNG and math models may be exactly the same, but in Nevada the casino is doing the back-office accounting while in Oregon it's the state lottery. On the other hand, video pull-tab games (that look like slots) in New York are also called VLTs. And in Washington tribal locations, where the gaming machines are hooked up to a central-determination system made by the same vendor (MGAM) as in New York, the machines are instead called 'TLS' - Tribal Lottery System. http://www.wsgc.wa.gov/tribal/tribal-lottery-system.aspx

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'In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice.' -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563